some seven years. people want to know who said what at this point and i think tapes need to be released so that people can hear that and move on. how do you explain this incident in particular removing the city s first african-american police chief and in what was a very complicated situation so that people understand it from your perspective? have you the most thing is honesty. it was a challenge and drove a wedge between me and african-american residents in this city that took years to heal and repair. the firing of chief boykins i plev was devastating to the african-american community. it had created a strength in the relationship between mayor pete and the black community. it s a cloud now that s kind of hanging over. it doesn t look good. it doesn t look like leadership to me and to members of the community. when people of color look at the decision he made from the police chief firing to the developments in south bend, they will wonder, did he consider how