he said don t worry about it. do you have any evidence that anyone in the obama administration or circle was giving them crisis advice when it was found that they were involved in this? because this is what the new york times is saying jared kushner was doing. we know obama himself said to the former president of russia, i will have more flexibility when i win my re-election. that s apples and twigs. it s the same because when you re dealing with rogue regimes that don t respect humanitarians, whose hands are clean in these countries? we have to decide you are very good, but i think that one you wouldn t come near swinging at. we re talking about advising, crisis management advice to someone under that. but thank you, carrie. would you prefer goggles to the ukrainians. someone accused of dismembering and killing someone than someone who is in the government giving clearances
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spoken out against the murder. i didn t ask you that. did it bother you that jared kushner, the president s son-in-law may have been giving advice to someone that the intelligence of this country suspects was involved in the killing and dismembering of a journalist living in this country. whether it s saudi arabia, whether it s china, iran, any of these nations. russia. in russia as well, that have limited respect for humanitarians, no matter who is in the oval office, we need to understand that they are dealing with people who are of a different moral compass than us. but they re not giving them advice. you don t think obama gave advice to the russians. killing somebody? that s what is russians did when they poisoned people in the u.k. when obama was president and obama said i will have more leniency. obama gave advice himself.
things that was striking to me is that the clinton white house, even during that time was able to continue to do what it was doing in terms of the presidency. it was almost amazing that he could be focused on moving his agenda while defending himself. so a chief of staff would be, in many ways, expected to be able to help guide this president, who his own former secretary of state now says he doesn t read that much, he s not disciplined. how do you manage through this when his own secretary of state implies how unmanageable he is, not knowing the responsibilities of the office. we re looking at the most indisciplined presidency in the history of our nation possibly because there are people who aren t public servants who don t understand how government runs. these are institutions. there s norms, culture, a history.
and number two, i don t accountability isn t even the right word for for example somebody being pure. i won t penalize you because you have amental health issue. i won t hold you actable and what i think we need to do is recognize and they have this and they have been kicked down. and now we are hand willing this as a criminal justice issue. and in fact, it s really a social issue. and we can sfand up & i m going to have to leave it there. thank you very much.