counterpart were talking. i would hope that at some point jake sullivan, the national securitied a vie or and his counterpart would talk. we need to think. russia still has thousands of nuclear warheads. he need to think about nuclear stability talks going forward. we ve seen the so-called hyper sonic weapons being deployed. the day will come when they could be carrying nuclear warheads. how do we put limits on those? we just don t have the luxury as profoundly as we disagree about what russia is doing in ukraine, we don t have the luxury of holding our entire relationship hostage to that. grateful for your time. appreciate it. thank you. thank you. this quick programming note for us. why, why is vladimir putin trying to destroy ukraine? can he be stopped in join us as we look to the experts for answers to the big questions. inside the mind of vladimir putin. sunday 8:00 p.m. eastern and pacific right here only on cnn. next, mike pence sends a crystal clear message.