hurts? they blinked last time they got to the point of default. and thank goodness. the credit rating went down. and the cost of borrowing to this country on the very deficits they cared about, they went up. so there s not a whole lot of sense here. there s a lot of posturing. i think shutdown for them is an easy option. even though it s going to hurt a lot of people. you know, you cannot budget like this. there will be disasters. there are always hurricanes. there are always people who are in need. how about they get the budget right on the longer term, but they deal with the problems we now face. you cannot fight wars off budget. you cannot deal hurricanes off budget. they should concentrate on fixing that. going to have to leave it there. richard wolffe and krystal ball, thanks for your time. catch krystal on the cycle week days on msnbc. coming up, a new shooting