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destroy black people for economic gain. what do you make of the mayor s comments, particularly grappling with the sin of being willing to destroy black people. does that help us grapple with history in any way? certainly when you look at these statues of confederate generals that are up in so many cities and i think people have been surprised to see that you and i discovered there was a stained glass window of robert e. lee in the national cathedral in washington, d.c. people have been surprised to see how far widespread these images are and it s a reminder that well into the 20th century these figures were romanticized, turned into in fact national heroes, even though they had fought against our union and fought to secure human bondage. and so that does say something about our country and what our country thought about its own past in the 1920s. when we think about that, it is
in washington, d.c. people have been surprised to see how far widespread these images are and it s a reminder that well into the 20th century these figures were romanticized, turned into in fact national heroes, even though they had fought against our union and fought to secure human bondage. and so that does say something about our country and what our country thought about its own past in the 1920s. when we think about that, it is an unpleasant reality. just to clarify, for those of you who have never been to the washington national cathedral, first of all, you need to go see it. when you go, there are levels of stained glass. the lowest level is moments in american history, the next one up are moments from the bible and there were panels honoring confederate generals that the church decided to take down with the support of the congregation. the reason that i wanted you to talk to us about this is because of what you illuminated for the cathedral and for me about robert e. lee s vi
basically as the world s biggest participation trophies for people who lost a war and committed an act of treason against the united states of america. but i think there s more to it at least in the hearts of people who still venerate these statues or believe they have someplace. charlottesville has not said they were going to destroy the statues, they may end up in storage for the foreseeable future. what do you make of the people who still feel an emotional tug to these monuments and to these statues? boy, i think if you look at the statue and say what is the purpose of these statues, what is the purpose of keeping them up, if you re saying you want to keep them up to idolize men who fought against our union and fought to secure human bondage, for matter what those personal feelings were, that is what they did by fighting for the confederacy, i don t think anybody in the confederacy could pass the test of preserving a memorial. the question is what do you do with these statues that
is the purpose of keeping them up, if you re saying you want to keep them up to idolize men who fought against our union and fought to secure human bondage, for matter what those personal feelings were, that is what they did by fighting for the confederacy, i don t think anybody in the confederacy could pass the test of preserving a memorial. the question is what do you do with these statues that have been standing for a hundred years? there is something to learn from them, and what you learn is something that s ugly. our country continued to romanticize the confederacy and in fact turn these people into national heroes in many cases. it s just recently that that has begun to change. do you think that in terms of that conversation changing, i wonder what your sense is of where we are now. i think after the events of 2017, the protests in charlottesville, the death of heather heyer and president trump s ham-handed back and
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