members of congress became key foot soldiers including the justice department on fraud charges, pressing state legislatures. is that fair or unfair based on what we know? i think it depends what you mean by that, right? i think it s something that we sort of argued already. i know the text messages make it a little bit different, but i think there s the temptation to say, okay, you know, this is completely trump s fault, and these people did this, and, you know, they didn t want to stop it and saying, hey, maybe they didn t do enough to stop it. again, i think partisan politics and passion make it really difficult to have any kind of nuanced conversation about the facts of any case no matter what it is. and there s really no story that is more partisan than this one. people widely condemn it, but when it goes to who was responsible and if they should be punished in some way, that is sharply divided along partisan lines. howard: yeah. it s such a tragedy that this terrible moment has
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over there in my office. if i defy that, they can put out a bench warrant for my arrest. no one is above the law. if you are subpoenaed for jury duty, if you are subpoenaed for by congress, you have to show up. you can t do this, no one is above the law. and the problem is for many of us on the left especially, it is viewed that after the last administration there were a lot of people that are, you know, putting up their middle finger, if you will, at our constitution and our laws, and we just can t have that. our leaders that we elect and those who work for them need to be setting examples and to be living not above the rest of the rules that all of us have as citizens, but living by the same rules that we have as citizens. howard: well, i disagree on one point. i think there is at least a legal argument that a former white house chief of staff could be covered by executive privilege at least for some of his communications. but, kat, new york times has this huge piece citing evidenc
howard: when he talked to bret baier, he sounded very much like somebody who was walking away from the legislation. i want to talk about donald trump with comments about jews in a podcast he did with an axios reporter. take a look. the jewish people in the united states either don t like israel or don t care about israel. when you look at the new york times, the new york times hates israel, hates them. and the jewish people run the new york times. howard: lesley, do you think the former president s comments about the times and salzberger and israel plays into an old trope about jews control the media? yes. my father s jewish. we just talked about that off the air, so i m half of the tribe. look, this is very concerning. you can be pro-israel and pro-peace and pro-two state solution and jewish. that does all come in. i know many friends, relatives,