presented evidence to substantiate. if they re able to prove that in public hearings as congressman raskin said they ll be able to do, prove that trump tried to incite the crowd as it was engaged in violence, that would be a really significant new piece of information that we don t currently have. the fact that the select committee is so focused on the phone call that trump had with mike pence the morning just before his ellipse rally, that call is absolutely fascinating. one thing that makes a call really interesting is we don t know half of it. there were multiple people in the room with trump listening to his side of the call but trump did not put pence on speaker phone so nobody heard what pence said on the phone call. meanwhile, on pence s side, we re told that pence went into a private room, by himself. he left his aides alone for him to have that private call with trump. the only person who knows what told trump on that phone call,
do it. listen to what he told me last night. donald trump was being begged and beseeched by members of his own family, members of his own administration, members of congress from both parties, to call it off and he refused to do that for more than three hours. he was awol because i believe this part is uncertain, we have to figure it out i believe he was trying to turn up the temperature on mike pence by continuing to unleash and incite this mob against him. it s an interesting piece of contest on this. trying and trying to get mike pence to do it and when it didn t work, when trump and his circle determined that mike pence was not going to do their bidding, there may have been some call or encouragement to turn things up in terms of the mob and the crowd outside. that s an allegation that the select committee has not yet
that the former vice president himself is not engaged in any stiff arming of the select committee analogous to the type of thing we ve seen from steve bannon types. i think it s unlikely but i also think we can t rule it out. your reporting on this is remarkable. thanks as always for bringing us this analysis. betsy swan from politico. an obscure russian general s comments appear to be anything but obscure as they may present russia s coming battle plans do not end in ukraine. that s next. plans do not end in ukraine that s next.
administration committee. and a member of the house select january 6th committee. as i welcome you, ma am, i d love your reaction to what you just heard. how dangerous is it to dangle the prospect of pardons for anyone who took part on the attack on the capitol? well, this is serious. you know, as both republican leaders in the house and senate said right after the january 6th riot, on that day, the president spun up the mob and directed them to the capitol where they attacked with weapons, with chemical weapons, with spray. 160 police officers were hurt. people died. police officers lost an eye. lost fingers. some have been unable to return. it was a violent mob. and to say that those who participated in that violence
said in terms of not seeing enough action but one on speaker pelosi saying if bannon is found guilty, yeah, he should be prosecuted and go to jail, but also chair of the select committee benny thompson saying, look, if we need to subpoena donald trump, we re going to do it. i believe him. and when i look at the vice chair, she doesn t look like the type of lady who s not going to enforce subpoenas from a congressional committee. i look, we re going to find out everything that happened here 100%. and we will see a lot of the theater play out, but in essence what steve bannon is saying to the country, a nation of laws is fu. i don t have to do this. but in fact he does. the committee, it s great to see the speaker say they intend to