are julie kelly, you have been writing a lot about this not just ubiquitous very comprehensive and deep. you have been studding the charges that have been brought against these people. we have got swat teams out there. they are hunting them down all over the place. people who have done nothing violent. maybe they trespassed. what is it that we should convey to the american people about what is taking place here? well, mark, thank you so much for having me on. it s such an honor. i think with what the american people need to know is that the u.s. government, joe biden s justice department is holding political prisoners in jail, in washington, d.c. that has been opened up specifically to house on january 6th, defendants awaiting trial. they have been denied bail. they are living in harsh solitary confinement conditions in this jail. you can get at the specifics of what is happening at the jail. i call it the deplorable jail.
expected to delay this. i don t know what the time frame will be, but i would like to remind people that when president clinton was impeached, he was impeached on december 19th and the managers were not appointed until january 6th. the congress doesn t return until january 6th. the speaker is trying to do is to ensure there will be a fair trial. senator schumer is trying to work with senator mcconnell to make sure there s a fair hearing, but it will move. so, is it a foregone conclusion this is moving forward regardless of the terms? if that s the case, why delay it? i m been trying to figure out, what s going to happen in the next two weeks that changes things so january 6th when congress returns from the break they re able to say, now we re giving you the articles of impeachment? i doubt anything moves before january 6th. and i think pelosi can delay it indefinitely.
withholding two articles of impeachment against president trump in an attempt to negotiate the terms of the senate trial. the big question, who is going to blink first? joining me now, chris lieu, former assistant to president obama and susan del percio, msnbc analyst and republican strategist. susan, you heard from a democrat and republican senator. who do you think has the upperhand in this situation? what are the pros and cons of pelosi hanging onto these articles? i have seen nancy pelosi in action for several years but nothing touches the way she s handled herself as speaker of the house the last year. so i m not going to underestimate her, that s for sure. i understand what she s doing, as long as they present the articles of impeachment to the house on january 6th when they come back from session from break, rather. the reason is i think she likes having this conversation out there right now, and she knows how to play donald trump better than anyone. and donald trump is just
government come december 11th. the question is for how long that period of time is. and the real question is for republicans, is this the right moment to have this fight? they don t have the majority in the senate as you said until january 6 t. they ll have more republicans in the house on january 6th and be in a stronger place to have this fight when they have more troops. this is not the time to have the showdown. steve, is this the right time to have the showdown? no, it s froblly not the right time you guys agree on something. probably not the right time to have the showdown. here s what s happening, in politics when you re wrong on the policy you fight over the process. the president s immigration policy is the right policy, stops amnesty for 4 million people and 75% of americans are in favor of the policy. republicans are trying to attack on the process with something even ted cruz has called a