policy failing in syria? i m afraid it is. this is not meant to be some broadside against the administration. why they were not given a lot of effort to support the opposition early on in this war. the policy has failed. 140,000 people are dead, 9 million people displaced from their homes. stronger than ever within the insurgency. i m hoping the secretary kerry said what is being alleged because that would be the beginning of what is needed to get to a new more effective policy. jenna: is a hearing on capitol hill where officials are saying are very concerned of attacks on the american homeland from syria because what we have seen over the last several years. what do we do here? we have a real problem.
cards in any financial transaction. debit cards carry fewer legal protections if your account happens to be drained. it s happening to more and more americans. jon: that is really scary. jenna: we want to spend more time on this. dave is joining us, c.e.o. of immunity, a company that attempts to hack other companies to test their vulnerabilities. they are the good gois. we want to make that clear. nice to have you back on the program. thanks. jenna: is there something specific about these big retailers like target and neiman marcus and michael s, for example, that makes them particularly vulnerable to hackers? we heard from the target c.f.o. that they had, you know, the firewalls in place and malware detection in place but is there something that makes them more vulnerable? there s nothing in particular about that sector that makes them more vulnerable other than they re handling all of the important credit cards.
is it debit? cash all the time? is that something we have to do until we get more security? what s your average advice for the average consumer? deep down, shopping online is in some ways even more secure. those are companies that specialize in this sort of thing. and as a consumer, it s not something that you should really have to worry about. it s really the retail sector feeling the pain here from all the fraud. they re seeing it in their bottom line every day. jenna: great to see you. thank you. thank you. jon: well, can you smell this? it s bacon fest. a time of pure happiness for a crowd of consumers who love all things crispy crunchy. bob s heak
they have almost every american s credit card is going to run through one of these companies and that s where the criminals go to get the money. and it s something that go ahead. jenna: how sophisticated were the criminals? you know, they would like to make you think they were uber sophisticated because it make them feel better but deep down, it s come out a lot of malware is living by 17-year-olds living in the ukraine and it s not nation state grade. it s simply better than the kind of defenses that they put into place. a lot of retailers will put the minimum in place that will allow them to become what they call p.c.i. compliant and if you only put the minimum in place, you re only looking at the base line compliance level security. then the criminals are going to hit you every time. jenna: regardless of what type of alarm system you have on your store, if something happens and someone breaks into your store, the cops arrive. right? they try to get the criminals and try to help
we told you the trailer manufacturing closed sharply last month but the cold weather largely to blame. today the government echoed similar concerns saying factories fell by the most since july and tomorrow state in for a report on job creation as a private sector ahead of the government jobs numbers due out friday. in the backdrop of all of this is the fed reducing its monetary stimulus. a top special banker says he expects the fed to continue cutting the bond buying despite the slower growth. investors also nervous lawmakers have yet to agree on a deal. if they don t agree, u.s. faces that process of defaulting on some of its debt. jon: haven t we heard that before? lauren: broken record, indeed. jenna: convicted murderer who escaped from prison is now back