sort of like a residence suites. it s in a place basically a hotel on vatican grounds. it s got a bedroom, a receiving room and a small sort of kitchenette. i mean yeah he wants to walk his own talk. my favorite story about that is the way he works the phone for himself. you know rather than having people place his calls including calling his newspaper delivery guy in buenos aires the very morning after being elected pope to say, hey, i m not coming back can you please cancel my subscription. and the guy didn t really believe it was the pope right? and of course the successor in bunz arz got mad. we say the first time in the united states for pope francis, part of the reason for that is because he believed he wanted to stay with his people in argentina the whole time he was bishop and archbishop there he hadn t even been to the holy land until his trip as pope last year. so this is a pope who really
united states in april 2008. this will be the first time francis has met with a group of sex abuse victims and the fact that he has not yet done so over the first 15 months of his papacy has been a source of criticism among some who were concerned about whether or not he got it. he s indicated he is, in fact, going to hold this meeting. he said it s going to take place in early june, although we re hearing it may actually be somewhat later than that, but quite quickly. he said it s going to be a group of six to eight victims. he said they ll come from places such as ireland, germany, the united kingdom. he plans to invite them to his residence at the doma santa marta, the hotel on vatican grounds where he decided to live rather than the papal apartment. he ll say a mass in the chapel and hold a private meeting with them. also present is going to be cardinal sean o malley of boston who was the architect of that 2008 meeting with victims with benedict. he s also played a role on this
some of the cardinals or perhaps damaging there was no smoke and may be a reason for that. tell us. it s happened in the past. as i say, that installation is normally there, so therefore the fitting isn t exact. in conclaves in the past centuries it has happened where the chimney malfunctioned and smoke spilled into the chapel and they had to step out. there s reasonable concern about whether or not that might have happened today. this is an interesting conversation to have because while we re having it each of us has to keep looking at the chimney. it s tough for you, john, because you re staring at us and giving you our profile. we don t know the names on the table, but we know they will very likely change in some way if this vote comes black. you can take it to the bank, if there s no pope elected tonight, when those cardinals go back to the hotel on vatican grounds where they re staying, you know, unless the situation
need to get out of this very formal setting of the sistine chapel where they really cannot talk in any informal fashion with one another and get as quickly as they can to the casa santa marta. that s the hotel on vatican grounds where they re staying, to be able to sort of talk amongst one another in ones and twos and tens and 20s. that s where the politics of the conclave unfold. not in the sistine chapel but in the casa santa marta. and talking to a vatican insider this morning, he used this expression that you were helping me understand, it goes slowly but eventually the logjam breaks. so this is about finding those points of pressure. figuring their priorities, father beck. what i ve been harping on a little bit here this morning, is through three ballots no pope. that means it wasn t simple. it wasn t extraordinarily easy for them? we didn t expect it would be. i think if it goes past today, as john has said, all bets are
what will happen after things wrap up in the sistine chapel tonight is these cardinals will go back to the casa santa marta, the hotel on vatican grounds where they re stay, there will be a meal they all eat together and then they have free time. in twos and threes and 10s and 20s, they ll be having informal conversations with one another. and this guy got 27 votes to pick a number out of the air. do we think he can get the 77 or should we be looking for somebody else or is there somebody whose name didn t show up in first round who actually make it in the second, third, fourth and so on? that s where the political heavy lifting, so to speak the conversations are that blunt. absolutely. i interviewed last time i interviewed two-thirds of the cardinals that took part in the 2005 conclave and they would say at that stage, they know the chips are down, because the last thing they want is for this thing to go on too long. first of all, of course, they want to get this one done by h