so we didn t deliver it. that s the end of story. who s the person who delivered it to your office? i have no idea. and i also just asked him moments ago whether or not he would try to find out the identity of the person behind this. he indicated no interest in doing that. i also asked him, jake, just moments ago about why not why exactly offer something to the vice president without vetting this information. he went on to say, we got handed an envelope that was supposed to go to the vice president. i didn t know i didn t know about it, so we just called up the vice president and offered it. he claimed it came from a house office initially, but he also said he didn t know who, which house office provided it. so a lot more questions than answers after my interaction multiple times with ron johnson tonight. also, jake, andy biggs, the conservative congressman from arizona, it was revealed today that he tried to pressure the state house speaker, rusty bowers, to decertify the el
from arizona at the capitol insurrection also were involved in rallies and protests here in arizona many times. secretary of state katie hobbs, appreciate your time. thank you. thank you. a lot to discuss. joining me on the panel, abby phillip, also jamie gangel, kasie hunt and john king. all right, we re out of time. i gave all their titles. one thing i want to run again because it was really amazing was senator ron johnson s response to manu raju asking why his staff member was reaching out to the staff of vice president pence with these fraudulent electors from his home state of wisconsin and michigan. let s roll some of that sound. why was he even asking for that? because somebody delivered this to our office and asked to deliver that to the vice president. did you support his efforts to try to get those slates to the vice president? no. i had no knowledge of this. who is the person
phillip, also jamie gangel, kasie hunt and john king. all right, we re out of time. i gave all their titles. and now no, just joking. so, one thing i want to run again, because it was really amazing, was senator ron johnson s response to manu raju asking why his staff member was reaching out to the staff of vice president pence with these fraudulent electors from his home state of wisconsin and michigan. let s roll some of that sound. why was he even asking for that? because somebody delivered this to our office and asked to deliver that to the vice president. did you support his efforts to try to get those slates to the vice president? no. i had no knowledge of this. who is the person you know, i had no involvement in an alternate slate of electors. i had no idea this would be delivered to us. it got delivered staff to staff. my chief of staff did the right thing, contacted the vice
i asked him directly, is it right for the president to pressure mike pence and state election officials to overturn the election results. he said the president has the right to question an election. jake? okay. manu raju, thank you so much. i want to get something over to the vice president, just contact ron johnson, he ll pass it along. more now on today s testimony tied to the vote in arizona. joining me is arizona secretary of state katie hobbs, a democrat running for governor in the state. she faced death threats during the election count in maricopa county. secretary hobbs, appreciate you being with us. rusty bowers spoke at length about the direct pressure from the former president and his allies to decertify biden s victory in the state. watching him, i wonder what your takeaways were? well, i think, first of all, it came across very clearly he s an honorable man. i think that what was reinforced today is that republican officials faced a whole different kind of pressure
won t that matter? alyssa, how would the former president even have learned ruby freeman s name or shaye moss name? i was thinking that. in my time in the white house, work, under trump which was only for eight months, i was shocked by information that would get in front of him. he had people that would monitor social media accounts. in any traditional white house, it should not work like that, it should well, apparently ron johnson is receiving just random env envelopes. there s a lot of accountability that broke down at the end there, but i think the point that chris made was great. this was a trial run for what can happen in the future. so, i m not so worried about the next january 6th at the capitol. we ll arm the capitol, we ll have the proper security. it s every state capitol, where secretaries of state are being threatened, like michigan where you have armed militias that are rising up. this is something that the public has to pay attention to. it s also people act