going on in ukraine right now. so, that plays a really important part to this as well. so, in your view, what can the u.s. state department do? because, i mean, obviously negotiations, you don t want to allow the other side to have leverage. so, the u.s. state department could take their approach and say okay we ll be less public because that is the demand coming from russia, but then that is now a feather in the cap of russian negotiators. so how does it proceed to try to ultimately win the release of griner and whelan? these negotiations sort of play out in two different phases. so, right now the administration is putting offers on the table. they are offering that leverage to get our citizens home. and they re committed in my opinion to using every tool at their disposal to bringing home americans who are held in these kind of positions overseas.
but the administration is also take another tack at the same time. which is to remind the american public and remind the global community that russia is in the wrong here. that vladimir putin is the bad guy. that it is not appropriate, it is not legal, it violated international norms and international laws to arrest americans or any other foreigners in this kind of way. so the administration has proposed different policies that would really weigh in on that side of the equation. first to announce new travel warnings for americans sorry about that, new travel warnings for americans traveling overseas. as well as sanctions on the different countries and leaders and people who are involved in and complicit in these hostage taking overseas. apologies on the interrupt. i thought there was a pause there. okay. so now we just heard from griner s russian attorney. where each she expressed that she thought that the penalty was
russia is saying it is willing engage with the u.s. on a possible prisoner swap to bring wnba star brittney giner home. but the kremlin warning talks must remain secret or they ll fail. if we discuss a few details by the press, then those exchanges will never take place. the americans have already made that mistake. suddenly deciding to use mega phone diplomacy to resolve these issues. this is now how they are resolved so we will not give any comments. reporter: the u.s. has said it put an offer on the table to get brittney giner and paul whelan in russian for espionage which he denies released. cnn learning that the biden administration is offering convicted russian arms dealer victor bout in return. secretary of state blinken said washington will take up moscow s offer to negotiate. we put forward as you know a
when we are seeing this kind of outright christian nationalism, and undisguised hostility toward jews and muslims and other minorities. as you pointed out, and as rachel talked about on her show last night, elected officials who engage in this kind of rhetoric aren t just flirting with fascism. they are bringing it to the forefront of their political argument, and that s, i think, a terrifying thing for all americans. rev, we ve been having a version of these conversations for five years now, and i wonder what your views are about whether the right is getting more brazen or whether the rest of us are quicker to hold them to account. where do you think this stands? they re getting more brazen, because we ve been having this conversation for five years, and they ve not really suffered a penalty. let s remember, mastriano was
answer them are for us, they re gutting for the families, and i wonder what you would say to the families of someone who isn t part of this package, part of this proposal. i would say a couple of things. one, we understand. the fear and the uncertainty, the worry that you have. and this president and his team, we re focused on bringing these people that are wrongfully detained and held hostage home to you as fast as we can. the second thing i would say is, each case is individual, and each case revolves around a set of unique circumstances, and we have to look at each one differently. now, in this case, we are trying to make an offer for two americans. that s true. but we do try to look at each case individually, which requires, then, a unique set of factors to be considered and probably a unique set of proposals that can be offered to try to get them home. it s a balance between our own national security interests as well as our serious responsibility to americans that