and i grabbed the nine or i didn t grab the nine, i grabbed the m4. reporter: katelynn is talking about the guns she had at the ready, a nine millimeter pistol and an m-4 rifle. and james? he had a pistol holstered in the small of his back as he walked out to greet todd and don. i had a nine millimeter on me, and i know how to use it. reporter: here is james memory of a confrontation so tense it sounds almost surreal. as the two men approached the house, he said, they hid behind todd and rachel s children. he had ariel in his arms, using her as a human shield. and don had alex in his arms, hiding on the other side of the car. reporter: they were afraid that you were gonna shoot them. perhaps. and i can t remember whether or not todd actually went to the door with the kid or i went to the door or whatever. but he was a human shield. he was gonna stop the bullets, reporter: that s a little scary. yeah, it is scary. todd was holding ariel, and
don was holding alex. and todd came up, he looks just a wreck. todd confronted me, he said, rachel and i aren t divorced yet, and i would appreciate it if you would stay away from her. reporter: and? no. reporter: you said, no ? i said, no. reporter: there was a pause. if something was going to happen, this would be the moment. and then he turns to me and he goes, hi katelynn. i was like, get off this property. reporter: and suddenly, it was over. todd and don and the kids got back into the land cruiser and drove off. what was the feeling like as this was going on? the feeling for me was, god, i hope that this clears the air. i think you know, he he s asked him to stay away so maybe he ll stay away and maybe they can figure out what to do. reporter: was it a civilized conversation? yes. yes, very. reporter: they didn t yell at each other? no. reporter: didn t stare daggers calm. reporter: at each nothing, zippo. i didn t like the
and here began atoning for the sins of his youth by devoting his life to three little kids, eva, ariel and alex. it was after all that that they held the trial. prosecutor lisette suder intended to portray todd as a manipulative and devious man who murdered not one wife but two. that is if she could persuade a california judge to allow an old georgia case to be dusted off and brought back to life. i felt confident that i had the law behind me on that. and i submitted my brief, and i submitted the legal arguments that supported that. reporter: and? she won. and so, in september of 2014, when todd winker went on trial charged with first-degree murder of second wife rachel, lisette suder could use the georgia story about first wife cathy s death 15 years earlier against him.
scissors and he went in that room with the intent to kill her. he attacked her while she was sleeping, stabbed her repeatedly in the face and the neck area. and i believe, at that point, he thought he had killed her, and he left her for dead. reporter: then, said the prosecutor, as todd prepared to leave the house, he saw a light had been turned on in the baby s room. so that s when he then goes, gets his motorcycle jacket on for padding, for protection, bangs in the door, finds her in that corner. reporter: cowering? cowering. reporter: trying to save her own life? correct. reporter: they knew that rachel spent some time after the first attack holding her baby. from prosecution closings baby alex s onesie was examined. and you know that there are drip blood, like being droplet blood, up on top of that onesie. that s how we know that rachel was holding that baby.
monitor our network. prevent problems, and to help provide the most reliable service possible. my name is tanya, i work in the network operations center for comcast. we are working to make things simple, easy and awesome. reporter: eventually todd got to his feet. he prepared a bottle for crying alex, he said. and he worried. and i just started just pacing around the house just