commanding general at fort lewis outside of seattle tell them to take down the flag and surrender our position because we will never stand up to russia if every time vladimir putin says boo we back down. administration is very cautious about drawing nato and the u.s. into a war with a nuclear around and growing erratic russia. pentagon officials say providing migs is high risk and there is some more effective ways that the u.s. is helping ukrainians. the administration has also drawn a library when it comes to nato countries with officials saying that the united states and nato will defend every inch of nato territory. brian? brian: all right. rich. really important. thanks so much. 23 minutes before the top of the hour. ukrainian civilians forming a volunteer drone force to help defend their country using their hobby drones to become eyes in the skies. now, these ordinary citizens are providing data on russian tanks and troops ukrainian military for them. joining us right now from
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three years ago, normal hobby drones were used in attempt to kill the president of venezuela. but congress only recently gave federal agencies legal authority they need to start developing drone counter measures. in some ways, though security changed radically for big set piece threats and conventional threats, the government is still struggling to cope with new threats, stephanie. thanks, pete. let s dig deeper, bring in jeh johnson. he is on the board of the 9/11 memorial and museum. before 9/11, intelligence gathering in this country was spread out across a bunch of agencies. we didn t have a department of homeland security. where are we today in terms of assessing and identifying threats? well, in terms of assessing and identifying threats i think we re much better than we were, we re much better at connecting the dots. i was not a fan of the creation
fire behavior. we had to evacuate on monday. it was probably more than 20 miles away, and now it s within 4 miles of our house. it was raining ash. it was dark skies. everyone kind of had this worried ominous feeling, you know, you can tell there was panic. reporter: also, the national interagency fire center is coming out right now and they re basically begging people to stop flying their personal drones over fire fights. they re saying that 19 times there have been drone incursions. firefighters will tell you off camera they call those [ expletive ] hobby drones. in all of last year, there were 21 incursions, and the motto for firefighters is, if you fly, we can t. they re asking people not to risk firefighters lives because if the drones get tangled up in aircraft, that s a problem. it also delays the fire fight when the drones cause them to
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