and that does complicate things doesn t it? . , . ., , doesn t it? that s right. the courts have a very doesn t it? that s right. the courts have a very limited doesn t it? that s right. the courts have a very limited sentencing - doesn t it? that s right. the courts i have a very limited sentencing power in relation to murder generally and for 18 year olds and above there is a mandatory sentence for those who commit murder of life imprisonment. the courts then are charged with setting a tariff. that is a minimum period that somebody would serve in prison following which they can then apply to the parole board for release. they will always be subject to a licence which means they can be recalled. but provided they are no longer a threat to the public they can be considered for release. for those under 18 and children the law is different. children who are convicted of murder are given a sentence known as being detained at his majesty s pleasure. it s the same thing real
again about the national scourge of knife crime. here we have another teenager killed by other teenagers carrying weapons which they thought were ok to carry. now i ve got the family with me. so i ve got puja, ronan s mum, chanda, the dad and nikita, ronan s sister. firstly, they ve been sentenced to detention for life at his majesty s pleasure, which is something that you get if you re under 18 with minimum sentences of 18 and 16 years respectively. you were kind of expecting that. are you happy with it? we were expecting that, but we re not happy with it. we wish there was furthermore, he gave he so everything was on the cctv, it was in front of the judge and the jury. but we knew this was going to be the case. they will get 16 to 18 years. the judge said he wanted to send a message out by, first of all, allowing us reporters to name the defendants and talk about that scourge of knife crime. was he right to do so? i m happy they have given the name