when you were director of the eastern region for the african development bank, you dealt with an awful lot of african leaders, so how would you answer this? i would tend to agree with his assessment, that indeed coups reflect disillusionment, disenfranchisement of citizens, in the face of their own life, in their own affairs. where i would disagree with you is, there is no such thing as a west or east, it s not a geographic issue. it is, each country has tailored democracy through its constitution, the type of democracy it seeks. there are some basic fundamental tenants of democracy and good governance, whether it is east west, or what have you. but beyond that, it is all tailored to meet the needs of each country. so it s not so much
democracies, which slowly feeds actually into the place of african democracy. hang on, are you honestly saying that africans are not ready for democracy, and electing their leaders and deciding who is in power? i will tell you this. go back to the early 905, there are sanctions, - either from the institutions, that if you don t accept thisl particular route as part - of your governor s platform, either through constitutional changes or through this, - there are sanctions. applause. that is the reality. so some of these countries were not l prepared for the changes that tookl place, and that is why. the expectation, the failed expectations didn t work, i and therefore the only solution was go back to military rule. i the military rule didn t i work and there is chaos. 0k. and you need to analyse somalia, you need to analyse ethiopia, - and you need to analyse both the sudans, you need to look at even egypt right now, - the entire west african region. it s because the democracy that t
maybe that is. why he has got a different point of view. all right. adan keynan. your answer. yes, in africa, i cannot. recollect any good coup. because the circumstances are. one might say what happened in libya, at a certain stage, i because of where libya was, i until gadaffi was overthrown, that might have been a good coup, . because of the kind of developmental trajectory that they went through, but generally speaking, on the african continent, all coups have failed, - simply because of this. what contributed is a regime change, or because of underdevelopment - or undevelopment or because of deep rooted ethnic biases. - as a result of either colonial legacies, . colonial misadministration. generally speaking, from west africa to north africa, to all of africa, - these coups are extremely bad in the african continent. - ok, you looked at north africa. let me just give you egypt.
yes, i have. have you lived through any, murithi? no, i was born. maybe that is. why he has got a different point of view. all right. adan keynan. your answer. yes, in africa, i cannot. recollect any good coup. because the - circumstances are. one might say what happened in libya, at a certain stage, i because of where libya was, i until gadaffi was overthrown, that might have been a good coup, because of the kind i of developmental trajectory that they went through, - but generally speaking, i on the african continent, all coups have failed, i simply because of this. what contributed i is a regime change, or because of underdevelopment or undevelopment or because of| deep rooted ethnic biases. as a result of either colonial legacies, . colonial misadministration. generally speaking, from . west africa to north africa, to all of africa, these coups
implement was not home grown. it was forced. 0k, murithi, i mean, we are seeing conflict in countries that have had democratically held elections. you know, we saw it in somalia, we see it in mozambique. you still have conflict. democracy does not necessarily deliver stability and prosperity, does it? in africa. it s a complex issue. at the risk of sounding like a coup monger, if you look at the recent coups, for sure, there was deep public disillusionment. in guinea, for example, with alpha conde, extending his term, jailing a lot of his opponents. in mali, with a rigged parliamentary election, in burkina faso as i mentioned, with raging insecurity. and then in places like mozambique that are conflict free anew you have a real gap between the centre and the peripheries. you have people out there feeling that the government doesn t represent them, that elites at the centre are corrupt and accountable, and don t really connect