and he does this town hall and at one of the town halls in july of 2015, he announced that they had a leak. he had mentioned something about their messenger application coming out and that got leaked out. he got very upset about it and said that he was going to terminate whoever that was when they find them. a week later, he announced they found the person and they were out the door. and it was met with applause. so, i mean, they have done a really good job of empowering their employees to believe that leaks are bad. and try to enforce tools to get people to turn in leakers. ed: sure. let s talk about hire super smart people. let s talk about what we could actually do at the white house. so you ve heard that, you know, spies come into our country and they use equipment that s not necessarily lehman. legal. those cell phone interceptors, they catch