p 80s with powerful men to expose her to all the powerful marketing machine that s possible and make them the biggest stars in the world. so there s this interesting arc that they re able to take advantage of, you know, malcolm glad well talks about good historical timing is important to becoming a superstar. they get that. the great talent that we know exists in black churcheses like new hope, actually becomes pop culture because of the historic moment in which it finds itself. it s interesting to hear you say that she feels like michael jackson in a certain way. certainly the loss feels similar. but, you know, hooer she was in fact this pop music icon during the time of hip-hop emerging. it felt to me like there was always a little bit of cultural tension around our appreciation for her talent and voice but the discordance aspect of that pop vis-a-vis hip-hop. you re absolutely right. there was a time