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put out a statement saying that what they re saying is mike pence did have the right to change the outcome and now they want to take that right away. unfortunately he didn t exercise that power. he could have overturned the election. harry, for anybody who is still out here arguing there is nuance between overturning the election and what former president wanted him vice president to do to hold off until there was some count or audit, he said the quiet part out loud. no nuance what so offer, no possibility. and i do want to speak to john s point, because he s shown us, right now he s lobbying the grenades from the side lines and he got into office and people thought he might temper, but he just reupped. the pardon power was his most abusive act as president. he really is saying, this is what i ll do and people who voted for trump last time around really ought to think, do you want the four more years of

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