That he overheard the president tell one of his top diplomats, Gordon Sondland, that he wanted to know if ukraines president had agreed to quote, do the investigation. Which, in this context, was a clear reference to an investigation into the bidens. Holmes testified that sondland told him point blank that President Trump did not give an explaytive about ukraine and that he only cared about quote big stuff like investigating the bidens. In addition to the damage that testimony may do to the president s case, sondland is now facing questions about whether he may have lied to congress. Holmes testimony directly contradicts sondlands october deposition where sondland testified he could not recall being part of any effort to investigate the bidens. And he could not recall any conversations with the state department or the white house about that matter. Holmes testimony contradicts both those claims raising the stakes that much higher for sondlands public hearings on wednesday. Holmes publi
To engage a trial without the facts coming out is to engage in a coverup. To conduct a trial without the facts is saying were afraid. We have something to hide. To conduct a trial without relevant witnesses, who havent been heard from, to just rehash the evidence presented in the house just doesnt make any sense. The Senate Discussion comes just one day before the House Rules Committee is scheduled to meet to establish the rules that will govern the house debate over the articles of impeachment. And two days before the full house is expected to vote for only the third time in u. S. History on whether to impeach a president. Lets get the very latest right now. For that, we turn to nbc newss jeff bennet on capitol hill. Jeff, lets talk about schumer. He talked about the four witnesses that democrats want to hear from. Tell me why, given that the the Senate Majority leader has pretty much said that this is a foregone conclusion that the senate will not vote to remove the president of the