it s a pretty amazing place. being the second gentleman means living here at the u.s. naval observatory built in 1893. this is run by the navy. yeah. this is owned by the navy, and it was the home of the head admiral of the navy for all that time up until 1977 when the vice president s families started living here. and we re on a naval base. a working naval base. most of which is the atomic clock where they keep the exact time of the united states. we went for a tour of the grounds steeped in history. so on my left is one of my favorite things. the swing? it s a swing, and there s a plaque. and it says, joe loves jill. i have never sat on it because i don t want to break it. let me show you this. this is first of all, just this yeah.
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to see what was going on, and a lot of what i did was listen. a lot of small group meetings, hear what was happening on the ground and bring it back to the administration. it hasn t been i lot of time for the ceremonial part, maybe there will be was there any part of you that thought was better at the ceremonial stuff because that s what a woman would do? well, i don t i don t want to genderize it. i think we re a married couple, and we do a lot of these things together. so if there s things that we need to pick out or decorations or if we re having an event and i ll give my input. but it s like how we are as a s tip call married couple, what we would do in other things, we re both busy and move on. i m not trying to make it where this is my job. what is your job? first and foremost to support
support their female partners. and then when it gets to that point, it s hard. yeah. it s hard on your ego. you say you have a healthy ego, have there been moments like that? yeah. like i said, you have to put year ego aside, though. it s not about you. and i will be i will be giving speeches, and one of the things i say is men need to support women. don t just think you re being supportive, don t just say you re being supportive, be supportive. one, it s the right thing to do. and then, okay, you need to actually do it. don t just think you re doing it. then the women in the audience start looking around and smiling. sometimes it s hard, and sometimes it s not what you expect, but it s the right thing to do. and if i can set an example doing it, i m very grateful for that. can women ever reach full equality without men thinking and acting the way you are right
now? i think men need to look at women as equals and treat them. it s not an either/or, it s not a zero-sum game. when we lift up women, we re going to lift up our economy, lift up everything. it s not at the detriment of men. that s what we need. there s still a bit of a stigma with the notion of men taking a step back and being openly supportive of a woman who has a bigger role and a bigger job than the man does. are you trying to intentionally destigmatize that? definitely. definitely. you think about it? i do. not at the beginning because this was a no-brainer. but now thisat i m in the role d you see not all men naturally would do this and would push back. and then there s this toxicity,