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Transcripts for BBCNEWS Unspun World with John Simpson 20240604 00:40:00

the bbc in new york, though from his vantage point overlooking the east river, he still keeps a close eye on america s relations with china. they very much see the rise of china in terms of what it means for american interests, for democratic values, for the existing world order, if you like, as the far bigger threat. if you go backjust a decade or so, both republicans and democrats were wedded to the idea that china wasn t really much of a threat, that the us and its allies interests lay in building closer ties, certainly in terms of this idea of trade and engagement with china, and that through building those ties, the world would become a safer place. that has disappeared. the prevailing view now in washington is that china is an adversary, that it s here to stay,

Transcripts for BBCNEWS Unspun World with John Simpson 20240604 11:40:00

in terms of what it means for american interests, for democratic values, for the existing world order, if you like, as the far bigger threat. if you go backjust a decade or so, both republicans and democrats were wedded to the idea that china wasn t really much of a threat, that the us and its allies interests lay in building closer ties, certainly in terms of this idea of trade and engagement with china, and that through building those ties, the world would become a safer place. that has disappeared. the prevailing view now in washington is that china is an adversary, that it s here to stay, that under xijinping, it is determined to unashamedly promote its authoritarian worldview. do you think that the kind of pressure which america is trying to exert on china is actually having

Transcripts for BBCNEWS Unspun World with John Simpson 20240604 13:40:00

with china, and that through building those ties, the world would become a safer place. that has disappeared. the prevailing view now in washington is that china is an adversary, that it s here to stay, that under xijinping, it is determined to unashamedly promote its authoritarian worldview. do you think that the kind of pressure which america is trying to exert on china is actually having any effect on china s human rights record whatever? undoubtedly, that pressure is growing. china is now, of course, subject to a host of sanctions over its policies in xinjiang, the mass incarceration of the uyghur people, over its policies in hong kong, the moves there to snuff out hong kong s democratic freedoms. and undoubtedly, china, i think,

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