neither one could even conceivably be nominated today. george w. bush would tell you that there is a line between t.a.r.p. during the financial crisis and trump. and so i think that i believe republicans at some level know that they basically lost the argument over the role of the state in the marketplace. now, i know a lot of folks on the left think that s crazy, but from their point of view, government keeps getting bigger and that was a central claim. so, therefore, their anxiety, their political energy has to find a channel, and that channel has become cultural. the republican party as currently constituted right now is far more about having power so that liberals can t have it than having power for a positive agenda. it is what the historian
since derek chauvin was sentenced for that murder. in that span, the country has seen mass protests, statues come down, schools change their policies all to be more equitable and try to remove remnants of the country s racist past. a president prone to racist dog whistles was voted out of office. the new president signed a law making juneteenth a federal holiday. it would seem that the arc of history may be bending to its justice. is it? for the state of race in america, i want to talk to annette gordon reed. she is a professor at harvard and a pulitzer prize-winning historian. her new book is on juneteenth. annette gordon reed, welcome to the show. gad to be here. i know this is an impossibly large question, but if somebody were to ask you, what is the state of american race relations today, how would you answer?
or democracy itself really is at risk, and i think that s the central point we re at right now. what a fascinating conversation with the two of you. thank you so much. it s an honor to have you both on. next on gps, we will tackle race relations in america 14 months after george floyd s murder. i will be joined with another historian, amet gordon reef. neutrogena® for people with skin. dawn antibacterial cuts through tough grease with 50% less scrubbing. it also removes 99% of bacteria from your hands. dawn antibacterial. an easy way to clean your dishes.. a smart way to wash your hands. listerine® cleans virtually 100%. helping to prevent gum disease and bad breath. never settle for 25%.
that s why we have the concept of something being unamerican that is contrary to these american ideals. it s rare to hear a position described as un-italian or un-russian. you can have many ideas and still be russian because your nationalism is unrelated to idealogy. the united states, however, is a nation dedicated to a proposition, to use abraham lincoln s famous phrase. when we debate the past, we are debating the meaning of america. as the historian henry steele commodor once revealed, even though european states became more recently, asia and germany became nations about half a century after america, from them it can be said that the nation was a product of america, he wrote. but with the united states, history was the creation of the