trump supporters, but the average republican that sees dysfunction in complete republican control and wonder why they tried in the first place if they knew he had these problems. tell me what a middle ground is on this issue, or can you not have a middle ground on this? anna, i ll start with you. in what respect? heidi heitkamp. how do you help her find a middle ground here where she nose the majority of her constituents think kavanaugh should be onboard. well, first of all, i m not clear that supreme court that supreme court matters as much as pundits like to say it does. your average voter is consumed with health care costs and hating the discourse, hating the fighting, they tune it out, they think everyone is to blame. so, i wouldn t overstate how much this vote matters for these red state republicans. the middle ground is saying, like, i m okay i will vote for a conservative, you know, for the court, as long as they are, you know, not a sexual harasser, not, you know, a
he s not considering heitkamp. really, the spotlight is on those three people and those three people alone. well, let s talk about flake. you said he s been saying a lot of things in the past few days. certainly it started last week when he threw a wrench into things and asked for a one-week extension. over the weekend, he said that lying would be disqualifying. he called the white house to expand the fbi probe or at least nominally did. who knows what his real influence was there. and then as of today, jake, he said, i was very troubled by the tone of the remarks, the initial defense that judge kavanaugh gave was something like i told my wife i hoped i wouldn t sound that indignant. then it went on. the interaction with members of sharp and partisan pip tell myself, you give a little leeway because of what he s been through, but on the other hand, you can t have this on the court. so is that him saying when he came out and said it s clinton s revenge, et cetera, that means
finds, you are going to vote no on kavanaugh because you disagree with him on substance, and you have since the beginning. if the fbi, though, does not find anything conclusive or anything that would be a smoking gun or any serious or direct corroborations of any of the allegations, would you understand why a couple of your colleagues, senator heitkamp or senator manchin, would end up voti voting yes? after all, they re in really red states and facing competitive reelection fights. i would understand their views and their vote in any event. i would continue to urge them, however, very strongly that they vote against judge kavanaugh because i think he d be a fifth vote to overturn roe v. wade. he d be a fifth vote that would eliminate people s right to marry the person they love, for women to decide when they want to become pregnant, for workers rights and other rights. i think our core principles and values would be violated.
on now. there are quite a few people that are arguing that everything is connected. his honesty, his past behavior in college involving alcohol and, of course, sexual misconduct. matthew? what do you think we re debating? i think what really matters is what flake, collins and murkowski think we re debate, and then in a second group, manchin and heitkamp. those are the five senators that i m focused, like a laser, on, and the truth is, we don t know, chuck, what s going through their head. like we said, we ran the clip of flake today, well, we can t have that type of partisanship on the court, does that mean that flake is inclined to vote now? danielle? gli think it s everything. it is a combination of everything. there is something to displease all the members in this nominee. and the question they have to ask themselves is, am i willing to stake my name that if i vote yes for him, that nothing else is going to happen, that no shoe is going to drop, let s say he gets confirmed an
for more special interests, unreported money into the political process. jon tester for montana opposed judge kavanaugh because he was considered a privacy issue. martha: i m talking about donnelly and heidi heitkamp, they have not decided. they have to watch the fbi report to see what it says, they have to look at his decisions and how it impacts their state for the bottom line of the entire discussion is, this is not going to be the deciding factor in the states. the reason in these red states democrats are within the margin of error across the board is because of donald trump. the fact that according to the fox news poll, he is running at 35% believes he cares about people like them at the wall street journal poll shows that 53%, including majority of republicans martha: you are telling heitkamp and donnelly that they should vote no? i m telling heitkamp and donnelly, look at the decision, look at what serves the best interest of their state and cast their vote according