there that says that d.t., meaning donald trump, doesn t do these trips, and we ought to tell whoever this guy is talking to, we ought to turn him off ask do it at a low level so that we don t send a signal. that looks like it was something that they thought was a heir-brained hare-brained scheme. paul: in the manafort and gates cases, it seems to me if those two guys were going to cooperate, they would have cooperated already to get a lower, some kind of plea deal because mueller s throwing the book at them. i mean, these are, you know, serious charges with a lot of prison time. he s throwing a book at them but not necessarily the book. it doesn t charge, i mean, he talks about a fraudulent scheme, but he doesn t charge bank fraud which carries a 30-year penalty. he labels it conspiracy against the united states. there s no such crime. there s either conspiracy to violate a statute like the bank robbery law or whatever, or