john, when sarah kept saying today, i refer you to outside counsel, i can t answer that, another thing she kept saying repeatedly is, stop asking me if he s going to pardon himself, because he h donenything wrong. and here s how that went down. thedent hasn t done ything wrong. thankfully the president hasn t done anything wrong. the president hasn t done anything wrong. once again, the president hasn t done anything wrong. thankfully the president hast done anything wrong. i reiterate the fact that the president hasn t done anything wrong. why is rudy giuliani out there saying the president can pardon himself? i m just confused. well, she s obviously going to stay on her talking points. that s about the only thing that s clear there. and this whole matter of the self-pardon, again goes back to nixon. four days before he left office, the office of legal counsel issued a memo saying that they didn t believe a president could self-pardon.