president macron, they were holding hands. pawing, there was pawing. some people call it heavy petting. i don t know, but they loved each other so much, and now because macron criticized president trump s actions in syria, now it is just the full plate of insults, and you know, this is i mean, the fortunes go up and down as we see with this president all the time. well, he was actually a little bit more tepid on macron saying also that, look, he understands he has to do what he has to do and that they tend to get along fine. we ll see whether there s some fireworks in their meeting later today. i think this is also about france trying to reassert leadership in nato and in europe generally, but it s not at all surprising that the president would take anyone who criticizes him on like this, and it s so striking, even several years in, to see how close the president has gotten to russia and to turkey, and to a leader like
and, again let me ask you a riddle. let me ask you a legal riddle. do you think donald trump hurt himself or michael cohen more with those comments? oh, i think he hurt michael cohen more, ari. we ve heard so much talk over the last 24 hours since michael avenatti appeared on the beat about michael cohen being under the bus. you know, michael cohen fancies himself as a ray donovan character. but if you look at how he has acted and reacted, if you re a fan of the show, he s more like bunchy, you know, the ill-fated brother. everybody is a tough guy when they re engaged in heavy petting with jeanine pirro doing a fox interview. but when you hear that jail door slam behind you, when you see that your law license is in the balance, believe me, even tough guys ultimately break down. and one of the points that michael made on your show last night was that the trump team is expecting michael cohen to carry a tremendous amount of weight. the $64,000 question and the riddle i ll ask you
it is mortal. and you really want to end it before you exceeded the ability to tell a story. heavy drinking, heavy petting, and heavy drama have kept viewers tuned in to a bygone era of boy s club. okay, girls, come on in. how worried or concerned or aware are you when you re writing for your women characters about them not just being joan and megan and peggy, but them being symbolic of women in general? that s a really good question. i don t want the characters to ever be symbolic. in general. did women have it harder? yes. there were women pioneers? yes. were there exceptions to every rule?
i feel like, you know, first of all, it s exhausting. i need a break. but, the reality of it is, is that the show has a life span. it is mortal. and you really want to end it before you exceeded the ability to tell a story. heavy drinking, heavy petting, and heavy drama have kept viewers tuned in to a bygone era of boy s club. okay, girls, come on in. how worried or concerned or aware are you when you re writing for your women characters about them not just being joan and megan and peggy, but them being symbolic of women in general? that s a really good question. i don t want the characters to ever be symbolic. in general. did women have it harder? yes. there were women pioneers?
consciously trying to recreate that business model when they bought mad men. you know, it felt like an hbo show to everyone but hbo actually. do you has hbo ever expressed regret for passing on the show? yes, yes they did. reporter: what a story they ve missed. heavy drinking. heavy petting. heavy drama have kept viewers tuned in to a bygone era of boys clubs. last season we saw real changes with the women characters. yeah. joan prostituted herself. yes. i don t know if it was anymore prostituting herself than pete telling american airlines his father had died on that plane. you know, i don t want to take away at all what joan did. it is a tough thing to do and a story based on reality. okay, girls. come on in. reporter: how worried or concerned or aware are you when you re writing for your women