accomplish here today? this is a preliminary hearing. we just have to determine whether there s enough information to go forward. both curley and schultz have two charges. they have giving a materially false information to a grand jury and also failure to report. so, the judge is probably going to lean toward the grand juries on a lot of that there is a credibility assessment with that really, this is a fishing expedition for the defense attorneys to maybe get information to use at trial that s what i use it for and i m sure that s probably what they are using this hearing form. so tell me what kind of things would you be looking for if you were in their position. detailed descriptions of what happened, when it happened, timing, calendar, how they present themselves on the stand. defense will want to trip them up, the first question, do you know whether it was 2002. relatively sure it was 2002. on or b little things like that but in this case, there s two curley, actually,