president cares about is this fantasy about the 2016 crowd strike and joe biden s son. there is no conceivable way that is that would be very listen. of all the corruption in ukraine if it were true, and i m not saying it is, but if it were true that the president believed that the vice president s son got a payoff to influence u.s. policy, and if it were true that ukraine interfered in the 2016 election, that would be incredibly significant. there is no basis for that. you can t assume fantasies. you can t that s what i m saying. what s in the president s head matters. but we do know, based on david homes, the political counselor, the counsel forr political affairs in ukraine who overheard a conversation directly from the president with ambassador sondland and then ambassador sondland said according to david holmes, the president doesn t care about ukraine.