neil: he just didn t trust him. bret: yeah, and fdr, i think looking back, he was looking through a prism bible we need to win the war. he thought he could corral and contain stalin. he died after yalta i never realized it. neil: the me ask a little bit about talking to people, even some of your top aides, military types, you mentioned briefly, donald trump makes brief mentions. you do go over kim jong un on the north korean leader, the summits, you covered them. a third one that could be in the works, and the criticism about meeting with him. it happens again and again. it s an issue that makes him uncomfortable. bret: it does. foreign policy experts debate whether it s worth doing it if you don t know the end game of what you re going to get out of it. ronald reagan believes that too.