it s a lot of sand, they have a lot of sand over there. there s a lot of sand they can play with. shannon: where should we go from here, let s ask the former national security chief and christian whitten, welcome to you both. i m going to play you something from lindsey graham who has been a close friend and defender of the president, they are breaking on this issue. here s what the senator said. i think if isis does come back, it s going to be to the president s detriment. if there are any attacks, he alone at. shannon: what about that worry? he isn t a neoconservative, he is a parody of a neoconservative, he hasn t yet met a war he doesn t want american boys & girls club thing. the idea that by not helping kurds and a terrorist group, the pkk, have an f no nationalist state of their own in syria with