why did he make the decision in the late 1980s she thought i need to be president because? he didn t think bush was doing the right things on the economy. he clearly thought that the deficit was too severe. he also thought of the mexican trade deals worth bad deals, and he really tapped into the same group of voters donald trump tapped into. bill: so that mexico deals at that time he didn t like them. this is a guy from texas who would know very well what happens when you do business across borders. borders. speak out absolutely. there was a little argument between him and the bush family. i don t think it was as personal as some people made it out to be. i think he cared about what happened. he would go on the today show, he would get all of these people saying you need to run. very much like the trump movement. bill: remember that night that he did the debate? sure. bill: it really spiked
with confidence you can get coverage where you need it most. that s xfi advantage. make your xfi even better. upgrade today. call, click or visit a store. bill: we are just getting right out of texas that billionaire ross perot has died after a five month battle with cancer. he is best remembered as a candidate for president in 1992. bill clinton went on to win, but george h.w. bush lost his reelection bid. ross perot had just turned 89. the man at the center of all of this in those years. ed roberts, the campaign manager for ross perot. welcome back. our conversation continues. the first time you met him? he was very charming. what he didn t understand
bill: why did he seek your counsel at that time? i ran reagan s campaign. i think he saw me sort of as someone who want to change. i was sort of an outsider. i liked the idea of taking on the establishment. i got a little disillusioned with bush, chairman of the congressional committee. and i thought that was very bill: you stand by him today. you don t think ross perot cost and the second time? i don t think so. bill: but you have numbers that prove them. i stand by them. i will say that bush caused himself the election. bill: s when you think about the late 80s and early 90s, how would a guy like ross perot do in america today? speak out if he would run all the way through, to be elected governor or senator, shore
the the 30 day campaign. i dropped out early, he dropped out the day after i left. all summer, didn t campaign, came back in september. got into the debates, and obviously, that was probably what caused bush the election. bill: that was it? you wonder what a younger donald trump has observed from afar. new york businessman. look at ross perot, what does he think? i think he thought he could do it. he thought for a long time. there has been this great untapped the ross perot movement. trump movement. all part of the same movement. just sort of anti-washington. antiestablishment. sandra: describing ross perot s death here. 89 years old, died after a five month battle with leukemia. he ran for president twice. 1992 and 1996, about which we are speaking now. he said in business and life,
he was extraordinary. the efforts that he made. across the country, great american. politics wasn t his cup cup of tea, and he said to me one day i just want to run a campaign. he didn t understand politics and the news media particularly. bill: you and i have debated this in the years past. let s debate it again. did he caused a george h.w. bush a second term? he was 60% of the country at one time, looking to someone to fill that gap. did he take that away from trump? or i mean from bush? i think he did. i made the case that there were 4 million republicans they would have voted for the