departure on july 31. now that water baa lon is being dropped on the president when he s about to make a historical speech about global peace and prosperity. he doesn t think there was collusion. the decision was made not to fire mueller and the president said most recently he expects him to treat him fairly. that s my side of the story. you want to say there s under lying guilt because he wanted to fire him and some kind of anxiety about what happened. and i m saying the very opposite. there s no collusion. it s non-sense. what you re saying. four months into the job and asking for advice from the white house counsel. that s not what happened. what happened, chris? i like your theory. it s creative and protective. it s also not the reporting. the reporting is he ordered mueller fired. mcgahn refused.
that s how he talks. the problem is the law doesn t necessarily make exceptions for that. and that is why they are concerned about what he will say if he goes before the federal investigators. right. maggie, so helpful. thank you very much for scrambling to the phone and talking to us about this. i may call you back later in the show. my pleasure. thank you for opening our eyes to an important aspect of the situation. let s take all of this one on with with chris stewart of utah. a member of the house intelligence committee. congressman, appreciate you coming on. this story obviously is going to predominate. whaths what s your take on the suggestion in the report? i might not be helpful. i got off the airplane. the only thing i know is what i have been listening to you. i haven t had a chance to talk to the whi house. i have always said that mr. mueller should be able to complete liz investigation.
towards having sufficient evidence to satisfy the obstruction standard. and like you, i m not happy to hear it. and i agree that we have to be caution. and i m not ready to say there was obstruction. that s why mueller has to sit across from the president and look into his eyes and listen to him as he talks. president has a big disability. when he tries to explain. the key question is why did he say to comey can you see your way clear to letting the flynn case go? why did he fire comey? what is the reason that the president is protecting flynn? what does flynn have on the president or don jr.? or on jared kushner or somebody else that the president is so desperate to keep out of the public eye? now whatever it is, bob mueller knows about it. he s cut his deal with flynn. there s something else. there s smlg else the president
wrong. the people around him protected the instincts. the investigation went forward as it should. and the process served the president. i don t know that the process should be defined as there but for the grace of mcgahn. goes president trump as nixon. this is not any process that s building. you re not supposed to have the white house counsel have to threaten to resign and say you will raise suspicion of obstruction of justice if you do this. and only then he relents. that is a frightening scenario. not reassurance. actually it is reassuring. you can substitute people if you want. instead of process. once again they served the people. they served the constitution as they should. and i don t know enough about it to say much more. let s collect information. the president said fairly recently he thinks mr. mueller will be fair. i think he ll be fair. we don t hear any talk of
considering firing mueller. there s a frantic effort by white house advisors to walk that back. and insist it wasn t true. it was true. and i think various people at various points have used the threat of resigning to try to impact the president s behavior. this was clearly one of them. it may have had a very dramatic impact in the don mcgahn stayed on and didn t go anywhere and prevented the president from doing this. that is important to note. however there have been numerous members of the administration. im putting together a file in realtime. who have gone out of the way to say the suggestion the president wanted to make a move on the special counsel is bs. they had to no that was a lie. even sarah sanders what she said a few days ago. she had to know she was misleading at best. we now know back in june not did