talking about michelle. talking about hillary clinton again, you know. i m just saying. we ll see. sandra: robert, you are in touch with both of those often. michelle obama is not running for president. i agree the enthusiasm around her is incredible. that s not happening. hillary running for president isn t happening either. there has been a lot of momentum this week and the past month with elizabeth warren. when we look at the polls, real clear politics and other polls it is right now biden owns the moderate lane. feels like elizabeth warren owns the populist vein. i ve given to a bunch of them including bill: not to hemmer. i haven t given to sanders and warren. i ve given to others on stage. bill: they go around every election cycle.