whole notion or talk about multilateralism, so this is a conversation that we need to have because obviously the piece and the prosperity since world war ii is based on the notion of sovereign states that compete and cooperate in a global framework, xi jinping is undermining that, he s not trying to compete with us in this international system, he s trying to overthrow it and we ve got to defend it. arthel: so then is anyone expecting a breakthrough in shanghai this week with all of that as the background? yeah, people expect, you know, the most that we can do is come to interim agreement where the united states gives reprieves to hauwei technologies, the equipment manufacturer that we allow u.s. manufacturers to deal with it and on the other hand chinese would buy more u.s. agricultural products, that s a possible interim step but i think that that s not good for the united states on a number of different perspectives. arthel: yeah, because i thought hauwei was national security thr
it absolutely is, arthel, we should not be using as bargaining chip in trade talks, you know, the dominance of technology in our world right now is so critical, so we have to make sure that the chinese do not through predatory means take over the world through hauwei and 5g, the fifth generation of wireless communications and hauwei is a threat not only to us but to our friends and allies and partners, so clearly we should be doing all we can to protect ourselves and helping hauwei is not on my list of what we should be doing. so then if china s goal is to be a technology beast, could any american president stop china s drive for tech dominance? well, we can and largely because xi jinping primary tool is made in china 2025 initiative to dominate now 11 sectors in the technology, well, this made in china 2025 plan is violation of world trade obligation that is china has undertaken.
this also way we can do this, hauwei technology is built on stolen and other tech, hauwei equipment to surveil other countries, this is a real danger to everybody, so this is a threat to that international system that we were talking about, so we should do all we can to deny technology to hauwei. arthel: but we just didn t we allowed it, though, i m a little i have a few more seconds and i think i m missing the point here, gordon, i apologize for that. so you say that president trump is the person the president, the leader who is who can stop china s, you know, quest for world dominance in terms of technology, but yet you just said that the deal in allowing hauwei to do business with some american businesses is still a national threat and that s problematic so i m confused. well, president trump should not be giving any sort of exemptions to hauwei from the commerce department entity list, that s within president trump s
power, he should be making sure that we do not compromise our u.s. national security, the trade-off is they will buy agricultural products, that s not the future of the world. the future of the world is hauwei. that means china will have the tech come neabs that they want. well, we hope that he will not give exemptions, he hasn t granted exemptions, suggested that he would do that after press at the end of last month but this is not set in stone and there are number of senators and a number of others who are very much against helping hauwei in any way. arthel: leverage, gordon. he has the leverage and clearly he could stop any sort of licenses or sales of computer chips to hauwei that would make sure that hauwei couldn t do business or it couldn t use profits to support 5g build-up
we need bipartisan solutions. we need actual solutions that will work that will provide relief but will also make sure that the incentives are removed of people trying to come here under these circumstances. i want tatalk about the president s trip overseas. a bit of a ceasefire in the trade talks between china and the united states. but part of that ceasefire was the president now agree to let hauwei to buy if president trump is agreed to reverse recent sanctions against huawei has made a catastrophic mistake. no one will ever again take them seriously. turns out this is true. how concerned are you? i m very concerned about