for more insight let me bring in main mink. also back with us from yesterday is pete simi, professor of criminology. he met page ten years ago. thank you so much. frank, let me ask you about it. just tell your own story. i m not going to push in any direction. how did you get involved with skinheads and hate rock? whole thing? what did you learn? what made do you it? what made you change? okay, well, you know, i got into it when i was about 14. i had a pretty rough home life. and it was a i was a fearful kid. when this kind of came into my life, here where people that gave me attention and they talked to me about my home life and the music part came in real quickly because, you know, i can go to so many bible studies to preach hate and go to a couple of meetings here and there but when i at all times was
something to keep backing up my belief and the music was definitely that part from me. what role did race play in race part? the race i mean, race became my religion. what i thought of everyone else was that they were inferior to the white race and that the white race is now being duped and into believing anything by the jewish media. and that the black races and they call in the movement mud race, taking everything from us. so it gave me an outlet when i feared something, i got to be the person putting the fear on the world. that s how i felt being part of the movement committing hate crim crimes, you name it. and give me a scene where people are playing hate rock and people are enjoying it? what s that like? what s the feeling, sentiment of