over michael cohen s guilty plea and he denied that the president ever did that. do you believe him? well, i mean it has been publicly reported from credible sources that in fact the president did lash out. the way he answered that question is very interesting. he sort of paused in a very, very long period of time. you know, i think he was not being forthright with the committee. and i asked him again whether the president or others had expressed their displeasure and he was very cagey in his answer. look, i believe the public reporting. congressman cicilline, i appreciate your time. thank you. hope you feel better. i want to bring in the lawyers, kerry cordero and former federal prosecutor, jennifer rogers, carl bernstein who fair to say he s seen a few of these, especially during the watergate scandal. carrie, whitaker did say he hasn t discussed the mueller investigation with the president hasn t sbeeinterfered in the