and illegally occupied donbas. and since then, we have been living under these war circumstances. and of course, it doesn t help any business to do business in a country that is again inside this kind of war situation. although it s a hybrid war, it s not a full scale war, but of course it complicates our life and the lives of ukrainians. and you can see that interview in full on hardtalk on bbc world later at 09.30 gmt, 15.30 and 18.30. let s now get some of the day s other news. for those of you watching in the uk, you can access that anytime you wish to the bbc iplayer. saudi arabia has transferred around $80 billion worth of aramco shares to its sovereign wealth fund, as it looks to boost its bottom line. the move will see the public investment fund take an additional 4% stake