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where kids are taught to be criminals or whether this fellow raised by a man with no empathy who is willing to cross any boundaries, hurt anyone, also hurt his son. i m more intrigued by what extinguished this compassion and empathy. i would contend growing up in the household he grew up in is where you would look for evidence of that rather than saying it s like the mafia, it s a crime family. but mark and i debated this for a long time and we ll for a long time. martha: we lay it out for the folks at home and they can make of it what they will. we wish hannah well. that family has so much healing to do and we wish her well today. thank you so much. mark and keith. we ll see you soon. bill: hannah s father was out there every day to keep her