appear voluntarily and answer a whole variety of questions. he did not contradict the testimony of other witnesses, and i think we did learn a few things, which we will be rolling out in hearings to come. during pivotal moments, cipollone was in the know and very much in the room, including the oval office on january 3rd shooting down trump s plan to replace the acting attorney general with an election denying doj lawyer. and two sources say he was with trump during the riot itself watching it unfold on television. with me now is former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york elie honig who is also a cnn senior legal analyst. elie, let s be honest here. neither of us were in the room for all eight hours, which would have been great for news, but less good for actual having a life. that said, we have gotten bits and pieces from our reporting from our team at cnn about what pat cipollone was asked about when he may have said. what s your biggest takeaway
opened his mouth, i saw the doors of the crematorium open. and what michael goldman told me is he managed to put aside those powerful emotions and do his job and make sure that justice was administered fairly and in an appropriate way, even to this vile nazi mass murderer. as someone who s obviously done a ton of research on this, spoken to people directly involved, what do these new tapes add to what we already knew about adolf eichmann? these new tapes are absolutely remarkable, phil, and i have to tell you, my heart skipped a beat when i read about them because they completely vindicate gabriel bach and michael goldman on this important point. there was this phrase that became popular around the time of this trial. the banality of evil, it was popularized by a famous american writer named hannah oren. adolf eichmann was this machine that did what any normal average