report it out. there s clearly some incompetence going on in broward miami dade in 2000. but here in broward, they have not solved their problems. this is what causes people to have the excuse to go out because they can t seem to get the ballots counted in a timely way that give people confidence in the process. we know the history. the debacle of 2000, the whole hanging chad, is it poked through, is it not? and here we are again talking about florida. now we re beginning at the stages of this machinery count. how did we end up here? well, listen, it s frustrating, i ll agree with rick. we went through this in 2000. dade county has actually become a model. they learned their lesson in 20 2000. i was joking on twitter that
hanging chad and butterfly ballots. let s go to the state capitol in tallahassee. we have a lawsuit filed to make sure all accounts are counted, especially in south florida. what s the news? reporter: yeah, that s right, jake. a pair of lawsuits filed by rick scott against the supervisors of elections in palm beach county and broward county were ruled on earlier today. scott did win both of those cases. the judge ruling that the supervisors of elections down there did violate the public records laws here, and they need to release all the information that they have about this vote tabulation. but the big question is, does this have any real impact on the overall vote counting? because that information is required to be into the secretary of state by noon tomorrow. and that s what could trigger this big and potentially historic recount. forgive the people of florida if they re having flashbacks. 18 years after a historic and controversial recount of the 2000 presidential election,
as the margins narrow, and those margins are razor thin in the governor s race, it s about 36,000 votes, and in the senate race it s about 15,000 votes. that makes it within the margin that automatically triggers a recount. as you mentioned there are a few factors fueling the flames here. the ballots, these razor-thin margins, and here we are, déjà vu florida, 2000. thank you, rosa. there are some differences with 2000. let me get this out there. we are talking about thousands of votes, not dozens and hundreds like the presidential race in 2000. number two, there s no chad this time. no hanging chad. progress. it s not chads.
we have no idea what he is talking about. folks arguing we should downsize, maybe they have a point. we have to get this right. it is incomprehensible to me how the florida department of state isn t in the loop and why senator nelson didn t say whatever he was going to say with stakeholders in his state. doesn t make a lot of sense. if this is true and if the russians are interfering with voter role it doesn t matter if they are successful. at the end of the day if vladimir putin can insinuate he had nothing to do with changing voter rolls he will arguably succeed in degrading our trust in our democratic systems. remember florida during the gore/bush campaign with serious voter recount and that is logical place for the russians to choose. shannon: i remember the hanging chad and recount and all that. interesting time.
technology vendors have recently been hit with scrutiny over the security of the voting machines and software used across the country. eric gellar is a cybersecurity reporter for politico. eric, when i think back to, you know, going voting with my mom as a kid, voter booth technology almost seemed like an oxymoron. these antiquated machines with little old ladies and phone books. you ve been digging into the actual security measures. what are they doing? the biggest thing they re doing is saying don t worry, we ve got everything under control. okay, that s not working. after the 2000 election, there was a rush to buy these electronic machines. you remember the hanging chad issues in that election. in the times since, there hasn t been a focus on security. there s been a focus on acce accessibili accessibility, using electronic machines. there s been a lot of cybersecurity experts just recently saying there are all kinds of ways you could tamper with the official or unofficial res