mika, the feds took his phone. that s never good, honestly. he s the architect of the attempted coup and the feds have his phone. you know, we were asking, how could this guy not be in legal trouble? apparently he seems he may be. the battle over abortion hits the states, many are wondering if there s anything the federal government can do to protect services for women and what is the state of women s rights? we ll be talking about all of that. willie is with us. good morning. willie, joe and mika, together again. the team is back. welcome to morning joe. it s tuesday, june 28th. along with joe, willie and me, u.s. special correspondent for bbc news, katty kay, and pulitzer-prize winning columnist and associate editor of the washington post eugene robinson. willie, yesterday, i m here working, we re doing a show on i think the most one of the most significant other than bush v. gore, perhaps the most significant case of this supreme court in half a century,
is that there is no amount of sanctions. there is no amount of unity among the allies that will stop this kind of behavior. the language dictators understand and i saw this from syria, from handling syria and it s out of the same play book. the only language they understand is the threat of military force. if we re not going to do it, we need to let ukraine close the skies as quickly as possible, and we have to do that before people get compassion fatigue, before we run out of money to support ukraine. the white house sees that. you see them beefing that up, but it s got to be as fast as possible. we ve heard katty kay, president zelenskyy on that point saying please don t ignore us now. we know you have other problems in your country. we need you to stay with us on this. it appears through the rhetoric anyway at the g-7 summit and now at nato that the world is thinking that way in terms of supporting ukraine. yeah, willie, that s something that ukrainian officials apparently are c
pouring in. the aid package you saw from the u.s. government alone, over $13 billion signed last week, and that encompasses everything. that s military aid, humanitarian aid, aid to seize assets from oligarchs that. is an impressive number and it is very swift which is amazing. the only thing that i get concerned about is that there s no amount of preparation that you can pursue to prepare for how bad things could become given how president putin will pursue his side of the war, how aggressive he will become, and that s the message i keep giving, given my experience handling syria, that you should assume for the worst, prepare for the worst, and one of those ways is beefing up that humanitarian side of things. it does look like they re doing a good job doing that. i m glad you talked about that. i know you ve been writing about this. the echoes you are seeing now
thinking of credible things that we can negotiate with with putin to get him to step down so he can think of a win in his mind. when i say we need to do that, it s because dictators don t stop at anything, and no matter how gross the miscalculation is, it doesn t matter they ll collapse or lose any time soon. it doesn t mean they ll get assassinated and we learned that handling syria. today is the anniversary of when the syria crisis started 11 years ago. so it s important talking about it now. i hope we can apply these lessons to ukraine, the bottom line being don t let this linger in any way because the longer it lasts, the more complicated it becomes and the more difficult it becomes to end it. thank you so much for your expertise and your perspective this afternoon. it s good to see you. next up here on the show, is it possible some of the 2024 republican hopefuls are cooling to former president donald
from what you witnessed in your work on the conflict in syria with what we re seeing now. what about the brutality of russia s tactics. at least three journalists killed in the first couple weeks of this invasion. what does that say to you compared to other conflicts you ve looked at and studied? dictators fighting in a war is completely different than any other democratic or non-dictaor player in a war. they have different ground rules in that they don t have ground rules. they have no regard for civilian life, they certainly don t respect the press in a conflict and they stop at nothing. they will bulldoze a country and fight until the last man is standing if it means they can win. winning for them is very different than how we would perceive it. when i talk about sometimes i say we have to do everything in our power. so armying the ukrainian military to the teeth and