in the trump administration. he is a member of the losing campaign. he was familiar with all that. to circle back to and on your question rachel. the legal problem is, you can lie on the street, you can lie on tv, you cannot lie to the government. you can lie in front of the courthouse, but when you walk inside it, it s perjury. you can lie in front of the congress, but when you walk inside and submit fraudulent documents, even if you are in the government, and sometimes especially because it could be a second charge, you are in a different turf. and the thing that kind of, came through today in that montage you played, it came through the hearings, and i found very illuminating. is the awareness contemporaneously of legal exposure. yeah. the suspect sank, to johnny s, when you matt morgan said, i took it to zero. there is that. there is the awareness that there s also this sort of spectrum in this brought ethical drama between the balance of the story, donald
for evidence of ballots, for evidence of usb ports, for evidence of voter fraud. it wasn t just rudy giuliani. we heard president trump make these false allegations repeatedly during his call with secretary raffensperger. let s listen to a portion of what he had to say about you and your mother. we had at least 18, 000, that s on tape, we had them counted very painstakingly, 18,000 voters, having to do with ruby freeman, she is a vote scammer, a professional vote scammer, and hustler. donald trump attacked you and your mother using her name 18 times on that call. 18 times. miss moss, can you describe what you experienced to former trump attacking you on your
something more important to me. and that s my oath. and that s my faith. and i am glad that the public had to see these heroic people. congressman, it s nicole wallace. violence and its proximity to, it s whether it s with mike pence, or with the proud boys, and the oath keepers, has been a constant thing. and the committee has gone farther than anyone else have ever has, to putting him not just adjacent to the violence, but cheering for the violence, indifferent to the consequences of the violence. does this story deepen, i mean, do you have evidence that puts donald trump in the commanding control position of the violence meted out by the proud boys and oath keepers and the other insurrectionist groups? well, you know, i don t want to get ahead of our committee presentations. but, you know, i think that one of the hearings where we explore what the president was doing, what he was saying, and what he was thinking, while the violence goes on, goes to this very point. it goes to th
that they needed to throw out election results. the intimidation, and the threats of violence that trump brought to bear. against these officials who he was trying to force to do something, that they didn t want to do. there was extremely compelling live testimony today from one of those officials in particular, rusty bowers, is a conservative republican, he is the speaker of the house in arizona. he today explained how he was pressured personally and relentlessly by trump campaign officials, trump advisers, and the president himself. watch. mr. bowers, i understand that after the election, you received a phone call from president trump and rudy giuliani, in which they discuss the results of the presidential election in arizona. if you would, tell us about that call, and whether the former president or mr. giuliani raised allegations of election fraud. thank you. my wife and i had returned from
of the stuff, some of what s being described, here is not just a tad today, it s a crime. against federal law and state law. we can t intimidate, election officials to try to get them to change the election results. and there s also something more profound than a crime. it s indecent. and the rusty bowers testimony felt like the moment, and iconic moments in mccarthy hearings where the chief counsel, the department of advance, slice tearing at one of the staffer says, at long last have you no decency? and the bowers moment today was, watching man for all seasons or something. this guy i agree with nothing about politically. who in a moment of grave stakes, like responded in the righteous fashion. and it was inspiring and beautiful. i mean, two things. what s the testimony and the core representative to the 1/6 committee was donald trump on the phone with rusty bowers.