rallies, that see this kind of action as part of being presidential. i think it s bad for the country, it further divides and undermines it, it further marginalizes people because of who they are and what the color of their skin is. congressman, thank you for joining us for that reaction. this late-breaking news. catherine, there was something you wanted to say. about gorka. we should bear in mind it s not only that he didn t add value in his role in the white house because he didn t actually know anything about islam. he was actually creating harm. there was recently a terrorist attack, i think it was a mosque or an islamic center, he said the white house couldn t come out against it and call it an act of terrorism because it mike a fake hate crime. this was in minnesota, a week and a half ago. it feels like so much longer.
i have not heard neil spent one dollar and that leaves the door open. you ve been sort of talking about this. i want to follow up on this and get back to you for a second, jill. but you followed up. i mean, there s so much focus on the possible connection with the trump campaign and the possibility of collusion. what they were doing. but your point you re hammering home, just based on what we ve seen, the party part of the iceberg above the surface, the russians were up to quite a bit here. there was a lot of different avenues of entry and what you re saying is it s unclear whether they ve been rooted out, chronicled and shut down. that s right and look to kind of bring it home, even if donald trump pled guilty to a crime, that does not close the counterintelligence door that the russians were able to wuk through and the only way we can do that and this is the frustrating part for people in the intelligence community is that you need to spend
yes, recently. so he was clearly passing along that advice within the white house and projecting it out to the rest of the world. it s not only that he didn t know anything. but he was, you know, polluting the water, basically. and encouraging people to second-guess actual discrimination, actual acts of terrorism that were occurring. the reporting indicated that part of the reason he had managed to hang on as long as he was able to is because he went on tv a lot. that seemed to have been his only job. his only job. charlie, to me this is in some ways one of the most disturbing commonalities across a range of issues is what comes into the president s purview, where he gets his information from. we ve read articles saying john kelly is trying to say it, and the president starting his day clearly watching cable news and tweeting it, and joe arpaio thinking that alex jones is the one that made the difference,
for your time tonight. i understand we have to let you go now. i want to go to john because we do have now nbc news confirmation of the reports about gorka resigning. we assume he was pushed out. and this appears to be part of a larger effort that s been undertaken by mcmaster and it appears john kelly to sort of exile and push out some of the more fringe elementing who have been brought in. is that how you read it? i do, chris. i sat in the situation room in what they call deputiy and principals meetings. these are the most serious meetings that take place in united states. there s no place no room for ideology coming to the floor.
interviews back up a lot of the stories that were reported based on multiple anonymous sources because it shows the kind of work we re doing. sometimes these sources have to be anonymous, but we have to put our names on this stuff. we don t make it up. otherwise, we d look like fools. cameras, live video and audio proved that we re not making it up. it shows spicer speaking. it s on the record. april, how does this affect you as a radio reporter? i need the audio, brian. i need the audio. when sean goes in there and he does not have audio, you re not allowed to use the audio for the film, i m affected. so i transcribe the quotes. not to interrupt you, the white house said you can t air the audio later. right. that seemed like a dramatic restriction. right. again, going back to this point that we keep hammering home since the beginning of this administration, even before, when there was a concern we will not have any briefings, they would move us out. this is not about us.