president to pardon manafort or personal attorney cohen. someone may tell him to pardon. julie: look, they haven t been convicted. but they face serious charges. you can pardon somebody before they are convicted. you can pardon before trial if you want to h. julie: he said that he hadn t thought about it yet. he will wait as much as he can. a decision that will wait further down the road. political advisers have got to be saying pardoning someone now would create trouble for him. julie: okay, what do you make of relationship now currently with michael cohen, he s currently being investigated by federal authorities, this was his right-hand man and hinting he wouldn t pardon him at this point, do you think the two have any contact whatsoever anymore? it s hard to know. i mean, if i m the president i ve got other things to focus