murphy, plouffe, at the university of southern california, and cohost of the hacks on tap podcast. what does it tell you about the direction they are heading in, do you see a criminal referral coming maybe even against trump? again, i am not a lawyer think god, but i think a criminal referral is more likely than not, because the evidence is piling up, to their credit, the committee has been quite aggressive, they should follow the money and they should try to get that narrow band of phone calls. whether or not it has a huge earthquake effect on the election because we are so tribal and dug in, i wish i was more hopeful about, but to get justice, if there is criminal things that deserve referring, my gut guesses there are, on