these extremist gupe istist groups. is that enough? we re in for a long battle. you re saying england shouldn t have boots on the ground? over the past 15 years, us and the american, having boots on the ground in afghanistan in iraq, has actually made feelings against us even stronger. provide expertise. provide help, but to beat this, we re going to need the nigerian and kenyan army and all of those countries. what in those armies don t come forward? we have an even bigger problem. john mccain and others you re sitting here saying, well, we re going have to entertain some boots on the ground at least. how many? i don t know. hundreds of thousands of men would it take? that you argue would be a waste of time? i think the problem s too big. when you address cpac, all of these conservatives say we got to get tough, tough, tough, tough, tough. what does that mean? have a thing. we bombed libya four years ago. made libya worse. we ve now made libya a country