at what point do they come out and say, okay, here s the deal. here s what we know. here s what transpired. right now the information has been lean and there are a lot of people, you know, thousands of people across the country wanting to know exactly. maybe many of them have been in contact with their students. maybe some have not. it is very tense times right now for a lot of parents and families of u.n.c. students. yeah. i was one of them. i had a daughter there at one time. there was an incident on campus. we were out of our minds with worry and i was the head of the fbi in north carolina. so they re certainly capable of notifying all of us what s going on. they re obviously, they being campus police, the city police department, chapel hill police department, the sheriff s department from orange county, they re deliberately withholding information right now because they think that it would tactically give this bad actor some sort of advantage.
there. back to former assistant fbi director chris swecker who assessed the security on these types of events. chris, what is your take-away? jonathan said about two hours. the first tweet came out at 1:03 p.m. we re two hours in the first alert being sent. this person could well have jumped in to a car and gotten off of campus very quickly. there s a lot of entrances through the campus and exits through the campus. it s sprawling. i ve assessed the security at the campus. i ve gone over every building in that campus, been in the buildings. i suspect they still believe he s somewhere on campus and going door-to-door. they don t know where he is. they re cautiously using the
attorney. former prosecutor. retired georgia police officer. knows the area. phil, as you look at this, what is your take-away from what we re seeing on the screen as the students start getting making their way off of campus? trace, it s good to see the students apparently being cleared from the scene. my initial response is that, you know, this is obviously a massive police presence. you ll have multiple agencies, obviously the first responders are likely campus police. of course you have local police, you might have the fbi, you may have i saw some state troopers there. you ll have officers responding from everywhere. when this call goes out, what happens is every police officer who hears it on the radio or sees it come across stops what they re doing, if they can, and head that way. so it can be very chaotic. one thing that is very, very important is to they want to
expect. i covered the virginia tech shootings. that was in 2007. it s crazy we re still seeing this, reports of an armed shooter on a campus like this. it is a little quieter here than when the students came out. now waiting to see if we can get some information about what happened in these buildings. all events, classes, everything cancelled the rest of the afternoon and evening here in chapel hill. there s matt talhelm from wral television there. he brings up a good point. the number of ambulances. we have said it s a strong police response but not a lot of reports about ambulance activity.
that s a potential 30,000 people on the campus. the number of buildings is huge. the caudill labs where we believe the initial shooting took place, right on the campus there. it s just to the north of the football stadium, which you can see on the map there, top right. so he could have gone in any correction on campus, could well be off campus right now. clearly although the posture of the police in that one picture doesn t look urgent. they are urgently looking for this person. they want to find him. there s been a shooting. we re getting various reports about the numbers of wounded in this. we have officials and initial reports are more often than not wrong. you bring up a map of the campus. when you bring up caudill labs, you talk about the football stadium, what is also interesting about this area is that because there s a football