interchangeable in their minds. but here s what i think you and i were talking about, which is really sort of galling, first of all, they never made these big payments until the washington post began to interview them and began to question, began to investigate, where is the money? why haven t you paid the money? and it was only then, as you point well, we better get on this and actually pay the money. it was money that was supposed to go to the military in some cases and the payments were just not made. promises were made, the money didn t go. exactly. typical trump fashion. the check is in the mail. with what they did is they held themselves out as a charity, they solicited money from others. they didn t put their own money they solicited from other people and the guise of being public spirited, public minded, good people, taking care of those less fortunate, and they used it on themselves. they used it on their campaign. they used it in all kinds of nefarious ways. this is e