the russian apparatus would not have reached out to individuals in the u.s. in order to glean more was in on how to targ they information. it s just not credible for me to believe they ran this from the g.r.u. headquarters in washington. that doesn t make sense. that s michael carpenter. rick tyler, we want to make sure we underline there is no link made to this yet. right. we hear someone in the department a few months ago hear that strongably about it, it makes you want to dig deeper. we hear the ratchet continues to click. with every revelation it clicks and then there s a new set of talking points. this part of the ratchet has not clicked yet. if it s true, there s no way the russians would be able to target
people at home, what s the conclusion? collusion? no, we don t see that, i see illusion and delusion. nothing happened from the meeting, honestly, i think the press made a very big deal over something that really a lot of people would do. ? well, this morning, nbc news has learned there was a fifth person in that meeting between donald trump jr., former trump campaign chairman paul manafort and a russian lawyer. he is said to be a russian military lobbyist, where he served as a counter intelligence officer, he is suspected as having ongoing ties to russian intelligence, which he denies. for now nbc news is not naming that lobbyist. also in that controversial meeting with the russian lawyer whoing a only inned to nbc news she was accompanied by at least one other man, the presence at the meeting of a russian american was suspected intelligence ties will be of great interest to special
reporting that is out there on this, even among republicans on capitol hill. they may not be willing to say it publicly yet, but they certainly are saying it privately. all right, kasie hunt, gene robinson, jon meacham, thank you all. we have much, much more. stay with us on this nbc breaking news investigative unit that there was someone else, a fifth person in that controversial meeting between donald trump jr., senior advisor jared kushner, former trump campaign chairman paul manafort and a russian lawyer. also now we ve learned in the june 9th meeting at trump tower of last year was another person with alleged ties to moscow. a russian-american lobbyist, a former soviet counterintelligence officer suspected by some u.s. officials of having ongoing ties to russian intelligence. that s something he denies. nbc news not naming that lobbyist who denies any current ties to russian spy agencies, as i said. his presence likely to be of great interest to investigators. we re going to tal
russian intelligence. nbc news is not naming that lobbyist who denies any current ties to russian spy agencies. his presence likely to be of interest to investigators. the lawyer, natali natalia veselnitskaya says she traveled with someone but refusing to name him. the president before leaving for paris. my son is a wonderful young man. he took a meeting with a russian lawyer. not a government lawyer, but a russian lawyer. reporter: but trump junior accepted the meeting last june with someone explicitly identified as a russian attorney. i think from a practical standpoint most people would have taken that meeting. it s called opposition research. but nothing happened from the meeting. zero happened from the meeting. and honestly i think the press made a very big deal over something that really a lot of people would do. reporter: the president argues it s politics as usual. and while opposition research
accidentally hit send too quickly and reports say he immediately told the fbi he would amend it. on april 6th, according to yahoo! the russian morning e-mails are due on june 21st. white house advisers tell the new york times kushner met with trump to discuss the issue ashd the time he updated it s unclear what kushner told his father-in-law given that wednesday he said he found out the meeting, quote, only two tore three days ago. a new report claims the president s outside legal team was informed about the ims